File talk:Burj Khalifa building.jpg

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A higher-rez version is available here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlann/4266235290/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Use of this image on articfles other than Burj Khalifa

I have once again removed the rationales on the image description page here for articles other than Burj Khalifa. The image was in use on

All three of these subjects can be discussed without the reader's understanding of the subject being compromised for lack of a picture that wasn't even discussed or referenced in the article prose. That's a blatant failure of WP:NFCC #1. Adequate links exist in all three of these articles to the Burj Khalifa if any of our readers have need of seeing what the building looks like. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 15:46, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

You keep removing fair use rationales from File:Burj Khalifa building.jpg. I in see your comment on the image talk page that you think this is a "That's a blatant failure of WP:NFCC #1". I disagree.

First of all, the problem is not going to go away. Unfortunately, there is no FoP in UAE, so to have any image at all, it needs to be hosted here on Wikipedia and used under fair use. I have myself previously trimmed out other rationales for which there was no real need for the image, but left in the main article and a couple of others where the use could be justified. I can possibly see the argument for the Skyscraper article because that is about skyscrapers in general and they can be amply illustrated with other, free images, and there wasn't even a rationale for List of tallest towers in Southwest Asia, but please explain why it's use on the List of tallest buildings and structures in the world is blatant failure because quite frankly, I don't see it - the building is after all the tallest in the world. Astronaut (talk) 16:35, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm aware there is no FoP in UAE, which is why the image is tagged as non-free. I have no complaint whatsoever with the image being hosted here on Wikipedia. It is appropriately used at Burj Khalifa, where it most certainly belongs. That the building is the tallest in the world doesn't justify its use on List of tallest buildings and structures in the world. Let me explain first by way of example. Have a look at File:Sharbat Gula.jpg. I will lay very good odds you have seen this image before. In fact, it's considered the most recognized image in the history of the National Geographic Magazine. It might seem bizarre, but despite this honor, which is sourced to secondary sources, the image does not appear on National Geographic (magazine). Instead, it is hosted on the article about the image itself. This article is linked from the magazine article. Why is this done? See Wikipedia:NFC#Images_2 #6. The same principle applies here. We already have an image of the subject hosted on another article, and we already link to it. The image itself is not described in any respect in the prose of the List of tallest buildings and structures in the world article. That's pretty much a universal sign that the image is being used decoratively rather than as necessary subject material. More proof of this was located in the rationale for the image, where the purposes stated was "To show the skyscraper that is currently (2012) the world's tallest." That's an exceptionally weak rationale. If having a purpose of use of "to show" was sufficient, we could use non-free images anywhere we wanted to so long as we wanted to show them...which isn't a limitation at all. Note also that this list article contains entries for buildings from a number of countries lacking FoP, including Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and Saudi Arabia. The same argument to include the non-free image of the Burj Khalifa would permit the inclusion of non-free images of those buildings as well. If a reader must see an image of the Burj Khalifa, they can very easily click any of the eight times the main article is linked in the article. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:16, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]